The Fauci Shutdown Quote He Denied in 2022

Introduction

"I recommended to the president that we shut the country down." Anthony Fauci said that at the College of the Holy Cross, his alma mater, on October 6, 2020, calling it "the most crucial" decision of his pandemic role, and in the same answer drew the line he has kept ever since: "It was a decision to make a recommendation to the president. It wasn't my decision that I could implement." The answer kept going: "we actually did not shut down completely the way China did, the way Korea did, the way Taiwan did, we actually did see spread even though we shut down."

Just under two years later, on HillTV's "Rising," interviewer Batya Ungar-Sargon asked whether he would support closing schools again. "I didn't recommend locking anything down," Fauci said on July 25, 2022, then handed the question off to the CDC.

If your kid finished the 2020-21 school year on a laptop, the page of Fauci's diary that concerns you is dated March 15, 2020. He'd spent that evening on the phone with New York City's mayor about closing the schools, then the bars and restaurants, and wrote afterward that Bill de Blasio "said that he would base this on my recommendation." Two months later, the same notebook has Fauci telling the White House chief of staff, "I never said do not open the schools."

How Fauci's 1,141 Pages Reached a Senate Website

The diary spans December 2019 to December 2022. HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says his staff spent about eight months finding the records inside the department, a timeline CNN corroborated. Sen. Rand Paul's office posted the file on Saturday, July 25, pulled it down Monday evening, and reposted a redacted version Tuesday, per NPR.

What the pages even are is contested. Fauci calls it his personal diary; Kennedy calls them "government records created on a government computer by a federal employee." Fauci's friend Peter Staley told the New York Times they were notes for a memoir, published in 2024.

Fauci sat for roughly three hours before Paul's committee on July 29 and answered almost nothing beyond "On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment." Paul counted 111 invocations and posted that tally himself; wire services including the Associated Press hedged to "more than 100." Per CNN, Fauci had appeared before Congress more than 250 times without ever invoking the Fifth.

All that procedure aside, Fauci has drawn the same line since at least May 2020, and on its own terms it holds: he advised and recommended but never held legal authority to close a school, and "lockdown" in his usage means the full China-and-Korea-style confinement the United States never did. Most of that is in the October 2020 answer already. What the diary adds is him building that distinction in private, months before anybody demanded it, then compressing it in July 2022 into a sentence his own notebook doesn't support.

The March 2020 Phone Calls

The closure advice starts before the federal guidelines did. On March 9, 2020, Gov. Andrew Cuomo called asking whether to close schools in the Orthodox Jewish section of Westchester, where there were 90 cases. "I tell him yes," Fauci wrote (diary p. 712).

The March 15 entry, headed "BIG DAY!" in red, is the load-bearing one (p. 724). Fauci wrote that he "convinced him... to close the NYC schools (he had already decided based on what I was saying on TV)," told de Blasio to close the bars and restaurants too, and recorded the answer: "He said that he would base this on my recommendation." The next sentence cuts the other way on California, where Gov. Gavin Newsom's chief of staff called to say that "based on my TV appearances today and yesterday, the Governor has decided to close the schools in California" along with the bars and restaurants. She was reporting a decision already made; his reach into Sacramento ran through a television set.

A day later he took credit for the federal guidance. The March 16 entry has him coming out with guidelines "that reflected my pushing for a more aggressive mitigation 15 day strategy," including closing schools where there was community spread. The verb keeps surfacing past the spring, too: on June 29, weighing North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper's call on reopening charter schools, "I recommended that he delay decision for 2 weeks." CBS News confirmed the March 2020 de Blasio and Newsom entries in its own review.

May 14, 2020: "I Never Said Do Not Open the Schools"

Five months before the Holy Cross answer, on May 14, 2020, Fauci wrote up a call with White House chief of staff Mark Meadows: "I explained to him that there is confusion. I never said do not open the schools. I said that we would not have a vaccine ready" (p. 844). That date matters because of what it precedes: the denial he gave an interviewer in 2022 was already his private position in May 2020, addressed to the president's chief of staff, before school closures turned politically radioactive.

The rest of that year runs the same direction. By August 9 his stated default was "our attempt/intention to open schools because of the psychological effects on children." On October 17, after Trump adviser Scott Atlas called contact tracing and isolation a "lockdown," Fauci wrote: "We (Deb and I) have repetitively said that we do not want to lock down" (p. 138). Transcribing a Trump call on November 1, he inserted his own parenthetical: "(I never said that we should lock down.)" (p. 170). By November 30, Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker was asking his backing for measures "(short of lock down)" and praising his Sunday-show line, "Close the bars; open the schools."

The word never left his vocabulary. In April 2023, nine months after the HillTV interview, Fauci told the New York Times Magazine: "I gave a public-health recommendation that echoed the C.D.C.'s recommendation, and people made a decision based on that." Under oath the following January he testified "I did not close the schools" and confirmed he was "not a person with the authority" to decide when schools resumed in-person learning (transcript, pp. 159-160). Paul didn't dispute that at the hearing; per PBS NewsHour, he granted it and argued influence instead.

Mother Jones, reading the same pages, wrote that they contain no "smoking gun proving that the public health leader deliberately misled the American people." Reuters reports Fauci's team circulated a fact-check saying the entries "match what he said publicly at the time," though that document answers the origins claims rather than the closure record.

Who Benefits

Paul's incentive is printed on a book cover. He published "Deception: The Great COVID Cover-Up" in October 2023 with Fauci's face on the front (The Hill), and posted AI-generated images of Fauci as a teenage girl to his 5.9 million followers (MS NOW, Mother Jones). Kennedy's version rides on an official act: he runs the department that found the records, wrote "The Real Anthony Fauci" in 2021, and after the hearing posted an altered photo of himself holding handcuffs beside Fauci from his government X account, then promoted the book from his personal one (CNN).

Fauci gets what the distinction was built to give him. School closures are the part of the pandemic response nobody wants their name on; the Harvard/Stanford Education Recovery Scorecard found they "were a major factor" in learning loss, per the New York Times. (An Education Next analysis of state NAEP data finds remote-instruction duration explains less than 10 percent of the state-to-state variation in test-score changes.) Recommend-versus-implement assigns every closed building to whichever mayor or governor signed the order. That's accurate, and it's also the cleanest way to be the most influential voice in the room with none of the orders in your name.

Dropping the Half That Made It True

The July 2022 answer didn't stop at the denial. Fauci deflected to the CDC, then said to "always try, to the best of your ability, to keep the children in school," and called a local closure decision, which he acknowledged happens, "a last resort." That segment isn't in a wire-service archive; the quote comes from contemporaneous write-ups, and nobody disputes he said it.

He dropped the qualifier that made the whole thing true: in 2020 the same answer carried both halves, "I recommended..." and "it wasn't my decision that I could implement." In 2022 he kept the second half and threw away the first, and "I didn't recommend locking anything down" tells a listener he wasn't the source of the advice, which his diary contradicts on at least four dated occasions. The most useful line in 1,141 pages, to me, is October 17: refusing to call contact tracing a "lockdown" in 2020 is the exact definition he leaned on in 2022.

The Fifth also left an unproven accusation standing unanswered. Sen. Ron Johnson alleged Fauci had "lied to his own diary" about Trump's March 2020 letter to governors and said "we have evidence" of it, but produced no document, and Fauci declined to answer. Fauci's own explanation for the silence is that Paul's aim was "to get me to say something, anything, that could vindicate his repeated public pledges that I end up, in his words, 'behind bars.'"

The Bottom Line

Fauci never had the power to close a single school, and his own diary has him on the phone urging New York's mayor to close them and calling that a recommendation. His 2022 sentence asked the public to hear only the first of those.

Nothing on the schedule resolves it. The committee votes August 5 on contempt (POLITICO); criminal contempt would take two cloture votes in a Senate that last held anyone in contempt in 1971, per Fox News's Chad Pergram, though POLITICO notes a civil route that skips the filibuster. Biden's January 2025 pardon covers offenses tied to Fauci's federal service, so it reaches neither the July 2026 testimony nor the state investigation Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier opened the day of the hearing, where Gov. Ron DeSantis has noted a case would need personal jurisdiction over a man who doesn't live there (The Hill).

Whether Fauci had the authority to close your kid's school is settled: he says he didn't, Paul agrees, and the record backs both of them. What nobody has answered is whether a recommendation a mayor says he'll act on is a different thing from a decision, and whether the man who made it gets to keep answering that under his own definition of the word.

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